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Headword: Παχεῖς
Adler number: pi,830
Translated headword: thicks
Vetting Status: high
Translation:
Attic writers customarily call the wealthy [this].[1]
Aristophanes [writes]: "how ignorant you are, and thick."[2] Meaning imperceptive and thick when it comes to intellect.
And Herodotus [writes]: "men of the 'thicks' were being driven by the populace out of Naxos."[3]
Πάχης ["stout"] differs from παχύς ["thick"]: 'stout' is the term for the adipose, but 'thick' for the imperceptive and the wealthy.
Both 'thick' and 'ancient' are applied in reference to a stupid man in the old[er] writers.
[Note] that the parts of skins thick with fat become broader when softened by salts; so he might be benefited, says Strepsiades, when the thickness is cleaned away. Sprinkled with salts: Aristophanes is making fun of him by crafting the language as if in reference to a winesack. Also see under 'rubbed with salts'.[4]
Interpretation of a dream: if heavy of body you will have an extremely bad reputation.[5]
Greek Original:
Παχεῖς: Ἀττικοὶ τοὺς πλουσίους καλοῦσι συνήθως. Ἀριστοφάνης: ὡς ἀμαθὴς εἶ καὶ παχύς. ἀντὶ τοῦ ἀναίσθητος καὶ παχὺς εἰς τὸ νοεῖν. καὶ Ἡρόδοτος: ἔφυγον ἄνδρες τῶν παχέων ὑπὸ τοῦ δήμου ἐκ Νάξου. διαφέρει πάχης καὶ παχύς. πάχης μὲν λέγεται ὁ λιπαρός, παχὺς δὲ ὁ ἀναίσθητος ἢ ὁ πλούσιος. καὶ παχὺς καὶ ἀρχαῖος ἐπὶ τοῦ ἠλιθίου τάσσεται παρὰ τοῖς παλαιοῖς. ὅτι τὰ παχέα ὑπὸ πιμελῆς τῶν δερμάτων ἁλσὶ μαλαττόμενα εὐρύτερα γίνεται. ὄναιτο οὖν, φησὶν ὁ Στρεψιάδης, ἀποκαθαρθεὶς τὴν παχύτητα. ἁλσὶ διαβρεχόμενος: διαβάλλει τοῦτον Ἀριστοφάνης ὡς ἐπὶ ἀσκοῦ τὸν λόγον ποιούμενος. καὶ ζήτει ἐν τῷ ἁλσὶ διασμηχθείς. λύσις ὀνείρου: βρίθων τὸ σῶμα δυσκλεὴς ἔσῃ λίαν.
Notes:
[1] = Photius pi500 Theodoridis; cf. Pollux 6.197, glosses to Herodotus 5.30.1 (below), and the scholia to Aristophanes, Wasps 288 (where the phrase ἀνὴρ παχὺς ἥκει occurs). The headword is masculine nominative/accusative plural of the adjective παχύς . Perhaps derived from commentary on Aristophanes, Peace 639, where both the headword and the gloss used here are found in conjunction.
[2] Aristophanes, Clouds 842.
[3] Herodotus 5.30.1 (verbally rearranged), on events of the early C5 BCE.
[4] alpha 1409. This phrase is a quotation of Aristophanes, Clouds 1237, from the commentary to which most of this paragraph is derived.
[5] From the dream-interpretations, in verse, attributed to Astrampsychus (alpha 4251).
Keywords: comedy; definition; dialects, grammar, and etymology; dreams; economics; ethics; geography; historiography; history; imagery; poetry; politics; science and technology; trade and manufacture
Translated by: William Hutton on 3 September 2011@01:34:42.
Vetted by:
William Hutton (added Greek tags to betacode) on 3 September 2011@12:41:00.
Catharine Roth (cosmetics, additional note, status) on 3 September 2011@12:45:02.
Catharine Roth (expanded note 1) on 3 September 2011@12:57:33.
David Whitehead (additions to notes; tweaks and cosmetics) on 4 September 2011@04:19:25.
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