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Headword: *au)to/qen
Adler number: alpha,4493
Translated headword: from this very place, from that very place
Vetting Status: high
Meaning from here/hence/thence. "There is no way they will not go thither from this very place." [So says] Aristophanes in Acharnians.[1]
And elsewhere: "yet it was necessary to set out from that very place, as they were, to face the enemy and to take the outcome of the war into their own hands."[2]
Or 'from this very place' meaning from home, from within.
"But he started out on the course to injustice from this very place."[3]
And Josephus [writes]: "to send bribes to the king from that very place."[4] Meaning from home.
Or, 'from that very place' [meaning] from there, or from the present time.
"The Romans, from that very point [in time] were already hoping to capture the encampment."[5] Meaning 'immediately.'
And Thucydides [writes]: "It was winter, and the Athenians from that very place [in time] did not yet think it was a good idea to carry on the war."[6]
Greek Original:
*au)to/qen: a)nti\ tou= e)nteu=qen. ou)k e)/sq' o(/pws ou)k ei)si\n e)nqa/d' au)to/qen. *)aristofa/nhs *)axarneu=si. kai\ au)=qis: a)lla\ xrh=nai par' au)to/qen, w(s e)/xousin, a)ntepecelqo/ntas e)n xersi\ sth/sasqai to\ te/los tou= pole/mou. h)\ *au)to/qen, a)nti\ tou= oi)/koqen, e)/ndoqen. o( de\ au)to/qen pro\s to\ a)dikei=n w(/rmhtai. kai\ *)iw/shpos: dw=ra de\ au)to/qen pe/mpein tw=| basilei=. a)nti\ tou= oi)/koqen. h)\ *au)to/qen, e)kei=qen. h)\ a)po\ tou= paro/ntos xro/nou. oi( de\ *(rwmai=oi au)to/qen e)lpi/santes h)/dh th\n parembolh\n ai(rh/sein. a)nti\ tou= e)k paraxrh=ma. kai\ *qoukudi/dhs: xeimw\n h)=n, kai\ toi=s *)aqhnai/ois to\n po/lemon au)to/qen poiei=sqai ou)/pw e)do/kei.
[1] Aristophanes, Acharnians 116, with scholion.
[2] Arrian, fragmenta incerta 4 Roos-Wirth; cf. pi 481.
[3] Quotation not identified by Adler but identifiable via the TLG as Marcus Aurelius, Meditations 2.10.1.
[4] Josephus, Jewish Antiquities 12.199.
[5] Quotation unidentifiable. (Adler notes the attribution to Polybius by 'Dr.' = A.B. Drachmann, 1860-1935.)
[6] Thucydides 6.71.2.
Keywords: biography; comedy; definition; dialects, grammar, and etymology; economics; ethics; historiography; history; military affairs; philosophy
Translated by: William Hutton on 21 March 2002@22:46:42.
Vetted by:
David Whitehead (added notes and keywords; cosmetics) on 10 April 2002@11:11:16.
David Whitehead (cosmetics) on 28 August 2002@05:39:25.
David Whitehead (more keywords; cosmetics) on 20 May 2007@04:07:46.
David Whitehead (augmented notes, inc. a source identification; another keyword; tweaks and cosmetics) on 3 May 2012@05:00:00.
David Whitehead (coding) on 11 September 2015@03:56:04.
David Whitehead (modified n.5, removing my error) on 11 September 2015@10:49:52.


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