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Headword: Athênaiôn dusboulia
Adler number: alpha,732
Translated headword: Athenians' ill-counsel
Vetting Status: high
[sc. A proverbial phrase] in reference to those who prosper against expectations and undeservedly.[1]
For taking decisions badly is practiced by Athenians; Athena offers to turn that which has been decided badly to good; and this was a local saying. Also Eupolis [writes]: "better to be prosperous than to think well."[2] And Aristophanes in Clouds [writes]: "for they say that ill counsel comes to this city, but in whatever things you err, the gods will turn them for the better".[3]
The Athenians are said to be autochthonous, [as are] Arcadians and Aeginetans and Thebans, either since they were the first to work the soil [chthon], namely the earth, or on account of their not being incomers.[4]
Greek Original:
Athênaiôn dusboulia: epi tôn par' elpidas kai anaxiôs eutuchountôn. to gar kakôs bouleuesthai Athênaiois êskêto: tên de Athênan paraschein to kakôs bouleuthen apoklinai kalôs: kai ên touto legomenon epichôrion. kai Eupolis: hôs eutuchein mallon ê kalôs phronein. kai Aristophanês Nephelais: phasi gar dusboulian têide têi polei proseinai. tauta mentoi tous theous hatt' an humeis examartête, epi to beltion trepein. hoti autochthones hoi Athênaioi elegonto kai Arkades kai Aiginêtai kai Thêbaioi, ê epei tên chthona, êtoi tên gên, argên ousan prôtoi eirgasanto, ê dia to mê einai autous epêludas.
[1] Mantissa Proverbiorum 1.3. (For 'ill-counsel' alone, see delta 1601.)
[2] Eupolis fr. 205 Kock, now 219 K.-A.
[3] Aristophanes, Clouds 587-9 (web address 1 below), with scholion; cf. gamma 195.
[4] This additional material, inappropriate here, comes from alpha 4536.
Associated internet address:
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Keywords: aetiology; agriculture; comedy; daily life; dialects, grammar, and etymology; ethics; geography; history; proverbs; religion
Translated by: Jennifer Benedict on 5 November 2000@21:07:57.
Vetted by:
David Whitehead (modified headword, translation, keywords; added note; cosmetics) on 6 November 2000@04:49:26.
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