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Headword: Χωρὶς τὰ Μυσῶν καὶ Φρυγῶν ὁρίσματα
Adler number: chi,445
Translated headword: separate are the boundaries of Mysians and Phrygians
Vetting Status: high
"[Kreon:] Speaking a lot and speaking appropriately are separate matters. [Oedipus:] You talk as if you are speaking briefly but appropriately." That is, it is one thing to talk nonsense and another to say things that are necessary. "[Kreon:] No indeed, not for one whose mind is the equal of yours." Meaning I do not seem to you to be speaking appropriately.[1]
And elsewhere: "it is not the part of one doing philosophy to profess and practice the art of prophecy nor any other sacred discipline; for the boundaries of the philosophers and those of the priests are no less separate than those said to be of the Mysians and of the Phrygians."[2]
Greek Original:
Χωρὶς τὰ Μυσῶν καὶ Φρυγῶν ὁρίσματα. χωρὶς τό τ' εἰπεῖν πολλὰ καὶ τὸ καίρια. ὡς δὴ σὺ βραχέα, ταῦτα δ' ἐν καιρῷ λέγεις: τουτέστιν ἄλλο ἐστὶ τὸ φλυαρεῖν καὶ ἄλλο τὸ ἀναγκαῖα λέγειν. οὐ δῆθ', ὅτῳ γε νοῦς ἴσως καὶ σοὶ πάρα. ἀντὶ τοῦ κατὰ σὲ οὐ δοκῶ καίρια λέγειν. καὶ αὖθις: φιλοσοφοῦντος οὐκ ἔστι μαντικὴν ἐπαγγέλλεσθαι καὶ προφέρειν, οὐδὲ τὴν ἄλλην ἱερατικὴν ἐπιστήμην: χωρὶς γὰρ τὰ τῶν φιλοσόφων καὶ τὰ τῶν ἱερέων ὁρίσματα οὐδὲν ἧττον ἢ τὰ λεγόμενα Μυσῶν καὶ Φρυγῶν.
The unglossed headword phrase is proverbial: see e.g. Gregorius 3.99 (= Tragica adespota fr. 560 Nauck). Here it is unglossed, but illustrated by the second quotation given. The first quotation merely illustrates the commonplace 'separate'.
[1] Sophocles, Oedipus at Colonus 808-10 (web address 1), interspersed with the scholia thereto.
[2] Damascius, Life of Isidore fr. 213 Zintzen (132 Asmus); see also omicron 795 and Photius, Bibliotheca 345a27.
Associated internet address:
Web address 1
Keywords: biography; daily life; ethics; geography; mythology; philosophy; proverbs; religion; rhetoric; tragedy
Translated by: Jennifer Benedict on 3 April 2008@18:08:49.
Vetted by:
David Whitehead (modified headword and tr; augmented notes; tweaks) on 4 April 2008@03:43:36.
David Whitehead on 13 November 2013@03:37:21.
David Whitehead (coding) on 1 June 2016@04:13:07.


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