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Headword: *ku/na de/rein dedarme/nhn
Adler number: kappa,2691
Translated headword: to flay flayed skin
Vetting Status: high
As Pherekrates says. A licentious figure [relating] to the genitals. The proverb is [also] said of those suffering afresh what they have already suffered.
Greek Original:
*ku/na de/rein dedarme/nhn: to\ tou= *ferekra/tous. sxh=ma de/ e)stin a)ko/laston ei)s to\ ai)doi=on. ei)/rhtai de\ e)pi\ tw=n a)/llo pasxo/ntwn au)=qis e)f' oi(=s pepo/nqasin h( paroimi/a.
From the scholia to Aristophanes, Lysistrata 158: "As Pherekrates says [fr.179 Kock], to flay flayed skin" (see web address 1). The general import of the proverb (Apostolius 10.29), on the lines of flogging a dead horse, seems clear enough (cf. epsilon 384), but a sexual meaning is required in the play; line 158 comes in response to a question asking what the women will do (sc. for sex) if their husbands leave. J. Henderson, The Maculate Muse (New Haven 1975) 133 #117 and 222 #492 envisages generalized masturbation rather than, specifically, the use of a dildo, but he later reverses this preference (Aristophanes, Lysistrata, edited with introduction and commentary by Jeffrey Henderson [Oxford 1987] 86).
Associated internet address:
Web address 1
Keywords: comedy; daily life; definition; ethics; gender and sexuality; imagery; proverbs; trade and manufacture; women; zoology
Translated by: David Whitehead on 6 September 2001@05:36:06.
Vetted by:
Catharine Roth (added link and keyword, cosmetics, status) on 26 October 2003@18:38:07.
David Whitehead (cosmetics) on 27 October 2003@03:02:24.
David Whitehead on 20 March 2013@09:33:30.


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