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Headword: Δρύοχοι
Adler number: delta,1547
Translated headword: stocks
Vetting Status: high
Translation:
[Meaning] pegs, the ones which are placed in a ship while it is being built.[1] But by a misuse of language [it also denotes] the proems. Aristophanes [writes]: Agathon is beginning "to put in the stocks, the beginnings of a drama. He is bending new felloes of verses; some he is turning on the lathe, others he is patching together; and he is coining maxims and using rhetorical figures; he is moulding, modelling, smelting... [Another speaker:] ... and going whoring".[2]
In Epigrams: "and moreover you could lay one in the sea, and one [secured] by stocks".[3]
Plato in Timaeus calls 'stocks' the supports of the ship under construction.[4]
"When a fleet is being built out of stocks all at the same time, it is impossible this is unnoticed."[5]
Greek Original:
Δρύοχοι: πάτταλοι, οἱ ἐντιθέμενοι ναυπηγουμένης νεώς. καταχρηστικῶς δὲ τὰ προοίμια. Ἀριστοφάνης: Ἀγάθων ἄρχεται δρυόχους τιθέναι δράματος ἀρχάς. κάμπτει δὲ νέας ἁψίδας ἐπῶν, τὰ δὲ τορεύει, τὰ δὲ κολλομελεῖ καὶ γνωμοτυπεῖ κἀντονομάζει καὶ κηροχυτεῖ καὶ γογγυλίζει καὶ χιανεύει καὶ λαικάζει. ἐν Ἐπιγράμμασι: τὸν δ' ἔτι θείης εὔστοχον ἐν πότῳ, τὸν δὲ κατὰ δρυόχους. Δρυόχους Πλάτων ἐν Τιμαίῳ καλεῖ τὰ στηρίγματα τῆς πηγνυμένης νεώς. στόλου δ' ἐκ δρυόχων ναυπηγουμένου καθ' ἕνα καιρὸν λαθεῖν ἀδύνατον.
Notes:
The headword -- which literally means oak-holders (because the keels of warships were traditionally made of oak: Theophrastus, Enquiry into Plants 5.7.2) -- is translated 'stocks' by Lionel Casson, Ships and Seamanship in the Ancient World (Baltimore 1995) 223 (cf. 392). He writes there: 'Homer describes the row of axes through which Odysseus made his celebrated shot as being set up "like stocks" (Od. 19.574; for a convincing reconstruction see A. Wace and F. Stubbings, A Companion to Homer (London 1962) 534-35. The expression ἐξ δρυόχων aut sim. "from the stocks", used literally in e.g. Polybius 1.38.5 [...], could also mean figuratively "from scratch" (e.g. Plato, Timaeus 81B)'.
[1] From the scholia to Aristophanes, Thesmophoriazusae 52, quoted below.
[2] Aristophanes, Thesmophoriazusae 52-57 (web address 1 below), where the mss have χοανεύει ("he is smelting") for the Suda's χιανεύει . See also chi 297 which quotes this line. Aristophanes is ridiculing the style of Agathon, an Athenian poet of the late fifth century BC made famous by Plato’s Symposium. In this play Aristophanes represents him as affected and effeminate, as poet and as person, and brings him onto the stage in female dress. But note that four years later, in Frogs 85, Aristophanes defines Agathon as ἀγαθὸς ποιητὴς καῖ ποθεινὸς τοῖς φίλοις , "a good poet and missed by friends" (see under alpha 124). On Agathon see also mu 1445, pi 1165, chi 403.
[3] Greek Anthology 6.16.5-6 (tr. H. Beckby).
[4] From the scholia to Plato, Timaeus 81B (probably via Timaeus Sophista, Platonic Lexicon delta983b); see already above. Likewise in Photius, Lexicon delta767 (both the Suda and Photius use Timaeus Sophista as an additional source).
[5] Quotation (via the Excerpta Constantini Porphyrogeniti, in Adler's view) unidentifiable.
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Translated by: Stefano Sanfilippo on 14 April 2005@07:19:51.
Vetted by:
Antonella Ippolito (modified a point of translation; set status; cosmetics) on 14 April 2005@13:20:33.
David Whitehead (modified further aspects of translation; modified notes; added more keywords; cosmetics) on 15 April 2005@05:39:14.
David Whitehead (modified headword (etc.); added primary note) on 19 April 2005@09:33:40.
Jennifer Benedict (tweaks to note, added x-ref and keywords) on 28 March 2008@23:27:10.
David Whitehead (tweaks and cosmetics) on 18 July 2012@07:44:10.
Catharine Roth (tweaks) on 25 November 2014@23:21:01.
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