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Headword: *xwri\s ta\ *musw=n kai\ *frugw=n o(ri/smata
Adler number: chi,445
Translated headword: separate are the boundaries of Mysians and Phrygians
Vetting Status: high
Translation:
"[Kreon:] Speaking a lot and speaking appropriately are separate matters. [Oedipus:] You talk as if you are speaking briefly but appropriately." That is, it is one thing to talk nonsense and another to say things that are necessary. "[Kreon:] No indeed, not for one whose mind is the equal of yours." Meaning I do not seem to you to be speaking appropriately.[1]
And elsewhere: "it is not the part of one doing philosophy to profess and practice the art of prophecy nor any other sacred discipline; for the boundaries of the philosophers and those of the priests are no less separate than those said to be of the Mysians and of the Phrygians."[2]
Greek Original:
*xwri\s ta\ *musw=n kai\ *frugw=n o(ri/smata. xwri\s to/ t' ei)pei=n polla\ kai\ to\ kai/ria. w(s dh\ su\ braxe/a, tau=ta d' e)n kairw=| le/geis: toute/stin a)/llo e)sti\ to\ fluarei=n kai\ a)/llo to\ a)nagkai=a le/gein. ou) dh=q', o(/tw| ge nou=s i)/sws kai\ soi\ pa/ra. a)nti\ tou= kata\ se\ ou) dokw= kai/ria le/gein. kai\ au)=qis: filosofou=ntos ou)k e)/sti mantikh\n e)pagge/llesqai kai\ profe/rein, ou)de\ th\n a)/llhn i(eratikh\n e)pisth/mhn: xwri\s ga\r ta\ tw=n filoso/fwn kai\ ta\ tw=n i(ere/wn o(ri/smata ou)de\n h(=tton h)\ ta\ lego/mena *musw=n kai\ *frugw=n.
Notes:
The unglossed headword phrase is proverbial: see e.g. Gregorius 3.99 (= Tragica adespota fr. 560 Nauck). Here it is unglossed, but illustrated by the second quotation given. The first quotation merely illustrates the commonplace 'separate'.
[1] Sophocles, Oedipus at Colonus 808-10 (web address 1), interspersed with the scholia thereto.
[2] Damascius, Life of Isidore fr. 213 Zintzen (132 Asmus); see also omicron 795 and Photius, Bibliotheca 345a27.
Associated internet address:
Web address 1
Keywords: biography; daily life; ethics; geography; mythology; philosophy; proverbs; religion; rhetoric; tragedy
Translated by: Jennifer Benedict on 3 April 2008@18:08:49.
Vetted by:
David Whitehead (modified headword and tr; augmented notes; tweaks) on 4 April 2008@03:43:36.
David Whitehead on 13 November 2013@03:37:21.
David Whitehead (coding) on 1 June 2016@04:13:07.
Catharine Roth (tweaked link) on 22 June 2023@01:12:50.

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