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Headword: *oi)=nos a)/neu pai/dwn
Adler number: omicroniota,134
Translated headword: wine without children
Vetting Status: high
Two proverbs: one [is] "wine and truth", the other "wine and children [are] true". It is used in reference to those who are being ingenuous and speaking the truth.[1]
Interpretation of Dreams of Nikephoros the patriarch:[2] "Wine emptied from vessels brings an end to pains. Foul wine makes many pains plain. If you partake of wine expect terrible quarrels."
Greek Original:
*oi)=nos a)/neu pai/dwn: du/o paroimi/ai, h( me\n oi)=nos kai\ a)lh/qeia, h( d' oi)=nos kai\ pai=des a)lhqei=s. lamba/netai e)pi\ tw=n a(ploi+zome/nwn kai\ th\n a)lh/qeian lego/ntwn. lu/sis o)nei/rwn *nikhfo/rou patria/rxou: oi)=nos kenwqei\s a)ggei/wn pau/ei lu/pas. oi)=nos r(upw/dhs e)ktranoi= polla\s lu/pas. oi)/nou metasxw\n prosdo/ka deina\s ma/xas.
[1] Likewise in Photius, Lexicon omicron128 Theodoridis, and cf. the scholia to Plato, Symposium 217E, where Alkibiades says: to\ lego/menon, oi)=nos a)/neu te pai/dwn kai\ meta\ pai/dwn h)=n a)lhqh/s; "there is, as the proverb says, truth in wine - whether one adds 'and in children' is of no significance" (tr. W.Hamilton). The first of these is best known nowadays in its Latin form, in vino veritas (Tosi [cited under alpha 378] no.1424); and for the latter cf. our "out of the mouths of babes and sucklings".
[2] See the note to beta 351.
Keywords: children; Christianity; daily life; dreams; ethics; food; imagery; philosophy; poetry; proverbs
Translated by: William Hutton on 15 November 2000@16:03:59.
Vetted by:
David Whitehead (added note and keywords; minor cosmetics) on 30 March 2001@08:06:53.
David Whitehead (another note) on 5 May 2004@09:16:01.
David Whitehead (more keywords) on 30 September 2005@08:55:38.
David Whitehead (another keyword) on 6 October 2005@10:16:31.
David Whitehead (expanded n.1) on 17 August 2012@04:06:34.
David Whitehead (expanded n.1; more keywords; tweaking) on 7 August 2013@06:31:47.
Catharine Roth (coding) on 15 December 2014@00:02:00.
Catharine Roth (cosmeticule) on 26 March 2021@00:52:18.
David Whitehead (tweaked tr) on 26 March 2021@04:49:22.


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