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Headword: Ageustos thoinês
Adler number: alpha,207
Translated headword: without a taste of the feast
Vetting Status: high
[Meaning someone] living a (?)refined life.[1] Also [sc. attested is the plural] a)/geustoi, [meaning those] lacking experience.[2]
[Something] "lacking taste"[3] has four meanings: either that which is lacking flavor as yet, but capable of being given flavor, like water -- for being inert it is capable of having flavor imparted to it; or that which is subject to the other senses, like sound; or that which has a small amount of taste, like the watery kinds of porridge; or that which has a bad taste, like poisons. And [it is] clear that the sense of taste partakes of some of these things and some not. And in the case of the other senses also these four significations are recognized. They say that [the distinction between] that which is drinkable and undrinkable [are] the beginnings of tasting. For the first distinction taste makes is between these things. For it is especially in moist conditions that even the flavor arising from a mixture of dry elements is recognizable; and just as a drink becomes drinkable through the admixture of good flavor, thus also it becomes undrinkable through the admixture of undrinkable flavor. But both, that is, both the drinkable and the undrinkable, [are] tastable. And the undrinkable [is] tastable not as a fulfillment of the sense of taste but as something destructive to it because of the awfulness of the flavor. But the drinkable [is tastable] as something that preserves and fulfills that which is tastable by nature. Therefore the drinkable and the undrinkable are the beginnings of what is tastable. And since that which is drinkable [is] moist, and moistness is perceivable by the sense of touch, thus moistness is touchable and that which has such a flavor is tastable. This is something common to the senses of touch and taste: in the case of touch it is one of the specific things that it senses; in the case of taste it is the stuff and the vehicle of the tastes.
Greek Original:
Ageustos thoinês: asteiôs biou echôn. kai Ageustoi, apeiroi. Ageuston, tetrachôs: ê gar to achumôton men teôs, dunamenon de chumôthênai, hôs to hudôr: apoion gar on dunatai chumôthênai: ê to tais allais aisthêsesin hupokeimenon, hôs ho psophos, ê to mikran echon geusin, hôs ta hudara tôn rhophêmatôn, ê to kakên echon geusin, hôs ta dêlêtêria. kai dêlon tinôn toutôn antilambanetai hê geusis, kai tinos mê. kai epi tôn allôn de aisthêseôn ta tessara tauta ginôsketai sêmainomena. archas de tôn geustôn to poton phasi kai to apoton. eis tauta gar prôtôs diaireitai to geuston. kai gar en tôi hugrôi malista kai ho chumos ek tês epimixias tôn xêrôn prosgenomenos: kai hôsper to poton potimon ginetai dia tên epimixian tou chrêstou chumou, houtô kai to apoton dia tên epimixian tou apotou chumou. amphotera de, to te apoton kai to poton, geusta. geuston de to apoton, ouch hôs teleiôtikon, all' hôs phthartikon tês geuseôs dia mochthêrian chumou. to de poton hôs sôstikon te kai teleiôtikon tou kata phusin geustikou. archei oun tôn geustôn kata touton ton logon to poton kai to apoton. epei de to poton hugron, to de hugron têi haphêi antilêpton, hôs men hugron hapton, hôs de toionde chumon echon geuston. touto oun koinon haphês kai geuseôs, tês men haphês hôs idion autês aisthêton, tês de geuseôs hôs hulê kai ochêma tôn geustôn.
The headword phrase, illustrative of an idiom noted in LSJ s.v. a)/geustos, I -- is presumably quoted from somewhere. It features also in, besides other lexica, two adjacent entries in Photius (alpha156 and alpha157 Theodoridis), and can be traced back to -- but not beyond -- two lemmata in the epitome of Phrynichus, Praeparatio sophistica (18.8 and 18.25 de Borries).
[1] This gloss does not seem very apt for the headword phrase. Adler reports no manuscript variations for the Suda iself, but, in the equivalent entry in Photius, Theodoridis obelizes a)stei/ws and notes Croenert's suggested emendation a)geu/stws.
[2] Same glossing in Photius (alpha158 Theodoridis) and other lexica; evidently quoted from somewhere.
[3] What now follows draws on John Philoponus' commentary on Aristotle's de anima 404.10-29 Hayduck. There are summary cross-references to this material at alpha 3603 and pi 2141.
Keywords: definition; dialects, grammar, and etymology; ethics; food; medicine; philosophy; science and technology
Translated by: William Hutton on 22 October 2000@13:17:10.
Vetted by:
David Whitehead (added notes; cosmetics) on 26 April 2002@03:47:27.
David Whitehead (modified translation; cosmetics) on 29 May 2002@10:07:42.
David Whitehead (modified translation) on 30 May 2002@04:01:22.
David Whitehead (augmented notes and keywords; tweaks and cosmetics) on 1 January 2012@06:51:10.
David Whitehead on 18 August 2013@06:44:23.


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