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Headword:
Halsi
diasmêchtheis
onait'
an
houtosi
Adler number: alpha,1409
Translated headword: this man might be helped if he were rubbed with salt
Vetting Status: high
Translation: [sc. A saying] in reference to those committing follies; metaphorically from jars and wine, into which salt is thrown so that it won't turn and smell like vinegar too easily. Since we are accustomed to treat men deranged by strong drink with olive oil mixed with salt. So then Strepsiades is not settled, but delirious even, refusing to honor the terms of the agreement; that is how he used the metaphor. This man is therefore not speaking randomly when he says he might be improved if [the other] were soaked in salt. It is as if he were making a statement about a wineskin, which become better when rubbed with salt. At the same time we treat madmen with salt and olive oil and they are helped. Alternatively he is mocking him for being stupid;[1] for thick kinds of hides are softened with salted lard and then are stretched out. So "he might be helped", he says, if he were cured of his thickness.
Greek Original:Halsi diasmêchtheis onait' an houtosi: epi tôn parapaiontôn: metaphorikôs apo tôn keramôn kai tou oinou, hosois hales ballontai, huper tou mê existasthai mêde oxizein eucherôs. epeidê tous hupo methês hôsper paraphronountas hupobrechein eiôthamen elaiôi halsi memigmenôi. hôs oun tou Strepsiadou mê kathestêkotos, alla kai paraphronountos, hos epi hômologêmenois exarnos estin: houtô têi metaphorai echrêsato. phêsin oun ou ta tuchonta houtos ôphelêtheiê diabrechtheis halsin. hôs epi askou ton logon poioumenos, hoi tines smêchomenoi halsi beltiones ginontai. hama de kai paraphronountas brechomen elaiôi kai halsi kai ôphelountai. ê hôs pachudermon auton chleuazei: ta gar pachea hupo pimelês tôn dermatôn halsi malattomena eurutera ginetai. onaito oun, phêsin, apokathartheis tên pachutêta.
Notes:
The headword phrase quotes
Aristophanes,
Clouds 1237 (web address 1), and the substance of the entry is from the longwinded
scholia there. (See also the paroemiographer
Apostolius (2.34), confirming the idea implicit here that the phrase become proverbial.) Compare the brevity of Dover (below) ad loc.: "Strepsiades pats the creditor's belly, pretending that one could make a good wineskin out of it; hides were salted as a preliminary to tanning (R.J. Forbes,
Studies in Ancient Technology [Leyden 1955-] v.3.19)".
See also
alpha 4177 (end),
pi 830.
[1] Literally, "thick-skinned" (
paxu/dermos), for which cf.
mu 94 (end).
Reference:
Aristophanes, Clouds, edited with introduction and commentary by K.J. Dover (Oxford 1968)
Associated internet address:
Web address 1
Keywords: comedy; daily life; definition; food; imagery; medicine; proverbs; science and technology
Translated by: Jennifer Benedict on 12 June 2000@10:28:50.
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